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Ph1ngering
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Just curious i have seen pictures of good hips, but what do bad hips look like.. Is it very obvious in the xray? any one got an example?
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shadyblueamstaffs
Alpha Dog
Joined: 15 Dec 2007
Posts: 1111
Location: Missouri USA
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| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 10:43 am Post subject: Re: Amstaff Hips test |
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| Ph1ngering wrote: |
Just curious i have seen pictures of good hips, but what do bad hips look like.. Is it very obvious in the xray? any one got an example?
Thanks
--Craig |
Ask and you shall receive LOL. Just a minute. |
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shadyblueamstaffs
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Location: Missouri USA
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| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 10:55 am Post subject: |
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Amstaff Dysplastic, photo courtesy of Pirouette Amstaffs, also Digital Image
Pit Bull Dysplastic, regular x-ray, photo courtesy of............ |
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TRUE STAFF
Omega Dog
Joined: 06 Jan 2008
Posts: 215
Location: Denmark
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| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 1:18 pm Post subject: |
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well wath will you think of this hips ??
i will right later the scor in denmark on this dog |
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shadyblueamstaffs
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Location: Missouri USA
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| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 1:55 pm Post subject: |
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| TRUE STAFF wrote: |
well wath will you think of this hips ??
i will right later the scor in denmark on this dog |
My guess would be that Denmark will give them a C or D rating, which D would be OFA dysplastic. Hopefully not, but that would be my guess.
Edited for mistake in sentence 
Last edited by shadyblueamstaffs on Wed May 21, 2008 6:26 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Amanda Reichelt
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Joined: 12 May 2008
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Location: Colville, WA (USA)
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| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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I don't know how hips are rated in Denmark but in Sweden the hips go as follows:
A/A (OFA Excellent)
B/B (OFA Good)
C/C (OFA Fair)
Anything below that is dysplastic and fails. Is C actually a failing grade in Denmark? It means "Fair" in Sweden and is still passing and dysplasia free.
A son of my boy AKC CH & Swedish CH Mount Brier's Aren't U Envious, MH, DNA, OFA (hips/elbows/cardiac/patellas), CERF "Mercury" in Sweden was rated B/C on his hips, meaning one hip would be an OFA Good and the other an OFA Fair. They rate each hip alone and it receives a grade. Three of his other kids in Sweden all came back B/B on their hips, with elbows normal too. So they were the equivalent of OFA Good on their hips.
I would say the right hip on your dog posted causes him to fail. It is pretty shallow in the socket. But I don't know how Denmark rates their hips. I only know about OFA in America and hips done in Sweden.
Is a C grade failing in Denmark? That makes things confusing since in Sweden C is still passing (OFA Fair).[/img] |
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shadyblueamstaffs
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Location: Missouri USA
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Here is a nice chart that Jennie showed me, I think she said it is slightly wrong in one area, I don't remember which area though.
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Meadowbrooks
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Joined: 12 Dec 2007
Posts: 1480
Location: va
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| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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| I agree with shady, I don't think the out come is going to be good. But I hope I am wrong.. Good luck. |
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TRUE STAFF
Omega Dog
Joined: 06 Jan 2008
Posts: 215
Location: Denmark
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| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 11:07 pm Post subject: |
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yes your are right hi god DD in denmark  it is my clyde , but we will do the hips agin in ½ year when hi is turnt 2 years. in denmark it is allowd to send hips x-ray to the kennel club 2 times so i hope hi can grow better
dte one you god shady is rong regarding denmark. for some strange reason if a dog had good and is transfer to denamrk it will get A hips in denmark they take them together exelent/good will get a and fair will get c. and that is strange becurs denmark is a hard *beep* for judging hips.
Amanda : yes we have the same as in sweden we can breed on dogs with a, b and c hips if they have pass the mental descripsion and got at least one good on a show |
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Amanda Reichelt
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Hi Christina,
Okay so C is still a passing grade for hips in Denmark just like in Sweden. Basically meaning an OFA Fair (grade C). I am sorry to hear he was graded D/D but the right hip looks pretty bad, I would be interested in seeing how his hips come back when done the 2nd time - the same, worse or any better? Does he show at all that he favors the right hip or does he act normal with it? I saw a little bitch at a show once that I know was severly dysplastic with OFA (the breeder had inquired using a stud of mine but I knew where the bitch had come from and her OFA results). She acted perfectly normal and happy, no limping/lameness or anything of that sort, but I refused to breed her because her x-ray showed extremly shallow sockets, the balls were shaped poorly and were set so loose in the socket I thought they might just pop off all the way. I was amazed that bitch could actually move around like she did and finish a CH title too with hips that bad. Too bad someone else went ahead and bred her because she has puppies out there now and they are likely dysplastic too. |
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Meadowbrooks
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Location: va
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| Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 7:12 pm Post subject: |
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Shady, i was in a hurry last time but was thinking of it.
Mean no disrespect towards anyone by deleting post but will we not tolerate bashing or comments that are off topic.. |
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Meadowbrooks
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Location: va
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| Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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((Too bad someone else went ahead and bred her because she has puppies out there now and they are likely dysplastic too.)))
You can't say that.. Hips are very tricky and I have seen good hips produce bad and bad produce good.. It is a crap shoot IMO.. How do you know she was bred to a dog with good hips. I know there is a percentage the pups could but you never know.. JMO |
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shadyblueamstaffs
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Location: Missouri USA
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| Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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| I have seen two dogs that were rated as fair, bred together and produce a bitch that came back as excellent. So sometimes you just don't know. |
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Ella
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Location: Netherlands
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| Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 12:41 am Post subject: |
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When breeding dysplastic dogs, why bother? I really don't believe in the
"the dog is of amazing quality blahblah" anymore. There are so much dogs out there , so why take the risk of breeding 2 dysplastic dogs? |
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Meadowbrooks
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Posts: 1480
Location: va
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| Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 4:45 am Post subject: |
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| I totally agree with you Ella.. I just didn't agree with the comment that was made that one dog in a breeding had bad hips and then all the pups will most likely be dys.. I don't agree with that.. We are not talking about two bad hips being bred together either.. That is just insane IMO.. I try not to double up on ANYTHING.. |
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