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Ph1ngering
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 Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 5:06 pm Post subject: showdawgs - Can you post more about your Protection trianing |
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showdawgs - Can you post more about the Protection trianing you have done with your amstaff?
You are the first amstaff owner I have come across that does this. I am sure there are more, but haven't had the pleasure of meeting them..
Thanks
--Craig |
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shadyblueamstaffs
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Joined: 15 Dec 2007
Posts: 1214
Location: Missouri USA
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| I have started one of my dogs in protection training, but the training is outdoors and the weather here in Miisouri went awfull, so our training got put on hold till spring. But I too would love to hear more about it. |
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showdawgs
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Joined: 08 Jan 2008
Posts: 73
Location: Central, georgia
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| Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 8:24 am Post subject: |
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I am more than happy to share any info you would like. Most of my dogs are in protection work along with OB, WP, and conformation showing. I do have one dog that I am not considering doing the protection work with, my opinion she will take it to the extreme. You have to know the dog your working with, and you have to make the right decisions!! Not every dog can handle this type of training. We train alot at home, OB OB OB, need lots of this. If they don't listen in basic training, then usually when their drive comes out in the protection they wont listen to you, and this is a no, no. When I mean the drive comes out, when I get on the field my dog goes from aware to, on edge and ready. Hopefully this made sense, a little early for all the thinking.  Oh and don't forget the tracking part, it is a blast to see these terriers with their nose down and following that sent. It is a blast.
Please ask questions, I will answer the best I can. |
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Ph1ngering
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| Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 9:00 am Post subject: |
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That has to be one of the hardest part is controlling the dog when he's in drive mode. I know when my old dog went into kill mode on a squirrel that I didn't get his attention back until he was done, or if I got in between him and the object..
Once a dog has the basics down how do you start on keeping his attention when in drive mode. Do you just add distractions during basic training like my wife running naked through the back yard? J/K honey.. But you know what I mean, something to draw his attention away from the training..
Or do you take it further and try to get him into drive mode and then keep his attention.
I don't plan on getting into protection training or anything just think that the training advice can be leveraged for many different things. Glad to have you here so I can pick you brain..
Thanks again
--Craig |
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showdawgs
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Joined: 08 Jan 2008
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Location: Central, georgia
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| Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 12:07 pm Post subject: |
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Once a dog has the basics down how do you start on keeping his attention when in drive mode. Do you just add distractions during basic training like my wife running naked through the back yard? J/K honey.. But you know what I mean, something to draw his attention away from the training.. How did you know that is how I did it!! J?K
We use a lot of distractions, but a big big help is the word (watch me). Keep his focus on looking up at you. When they look away give a small correction and say watch me. Then reward with a small treat. I like to spit the treat (as long as not liver) from mouth, so the dog will catch it. That way I know he or she is looking up at me and not down low where the treats come from like your hand.
Or do you take it further and try to get him into drive mode and then keep his attention. Only after I have their complete attention in basic ob, then I go to this level. Just a side note, it is to east to correct a dog to hard in basic obedience and then they loose the (trying to find the right word) happiness, like the tail wagging and stuff. Then they look like they are being forced to do this job. But during the protection part of the OB you can correct them easier. and they recover the disciple easier. I hope this made sense. If not let me know. Keep OB fun if you want your dog to enjoy it, and look fabulous doing it!!
I don't plan on getting into protection training or anything just think that the training advice can be leveraged for many different things. Glad to have you here so I can pick you brain..
Where are you located, what state?
Thanks again
--Craig |
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showdawgs
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Joined: 08 Jan 2008
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Location: Central, georgia
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| Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 12:19 pm Post subject: |
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Here is an example of what style OB I do, and like. I want a dog that they are really excited about doing their job. If you have ever gone and watched AKC or UKC obedience. Most not ALL, so please don't jump me people. Look like they are not enjoying it. They are lagging 2 feet behind them. Maybe this video will help, I found it on UTUBE. It is alot more fun to watch, when the dog it extremely focused on the handler, also note the praise theat is given. Give me you r idesa as well.
Now I am entering my boy, in his first AKC OB trial in 3 weeks, it has been a FEEEWWW years since I have done the AKC OB so, we will see. The only thing I will guarantee is he will be fun to watch, and he will enjoy it!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEBFrGRUGxo |
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shadyblueamstaffs
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Posts: 1214
Location: Missouri USA
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| Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 12:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Awesome video clip, thanks for sharing that. |
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Ph1ngering
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| Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 12:51 pm Post subject: |
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We are in upstate NY...
Can't watch the video from work, but will check it out when I get home...
So that one training you do with the watch me is simlar but not as harsh as some of the Kohler methods.. Like the one I put my old dog through was a 20 foot lead.. I would walk around the back yard and when the dog went one way i went the other and braced for impact. After about two or three good yanks he wouldn't take his eyes off of me..
Then I would go into the back feild with a 5-10 foot lead and randomly change direction on him again to keep him focus on me and to always be watching me. But this was treatless training....
I have heard great success with both treats and no treats.. I am guessing you prefer treat based training.. Do you get the dog to the point where the treats are cut out and switched to just praise?
Thanks
--Craig |
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showdawgs
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Joined: 08 Jan 2008
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Location: Central, georgia
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| When I say treat, it couls also be a toy is trown for praise or whatever. I dont treat for everythin good he does, I also show the praise in my voice. Some days when we are working there are no treats, but I will alwatys, stop and play for a second to show the praise. This has worked well for me so far. |
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showdawgs
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Location: Central, georgia
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| Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 1:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Some of traing can get harsh, to a point but only in the Ob part of the protection. They recover quicker. Please don't think I am harsh with my dogs, I am not by all means!!! But in regular OB, to me it is easier and better satisfaction from the praise type training, as long as you are not wanting a robot looking dog, like I stated I like mine to look like they are having the time of their life. I will post a picture if I can to show you what I mean in the diferent look. |
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Ph1ngering
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| Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 1:07 pm Post subject: |
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I gotcha... treat/praise/toy/attention/love
Just some sort of loving so he know he's doing well, thats what i thought but just wanted to clarify i guess.. |
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showdawgs
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Location: Central, georgia
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| Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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Okay this first dog you can see is heeling, head level
I know this is a training class, but still heads level no excitement
Now look at this do you see a difference in the dog?????????
What about this one, see the difference?
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Ph1ngering
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| Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 2:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Ohh yeah big time.. great post.. |
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Cicero
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Location: GA
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| Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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Hey Craig,
We have a owner up in NY who does protection training with the female she got from us. She said that she will be working towards SCH title this year. She is on the front page of our website and there is a link to her page on our females page. If you are interested, I can give you her e-mail address. |
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Ph1ngering
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| Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Tell her to get on her and start posting.. Yeah I would be insterested in talking to her.. |
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