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Badazz
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Just remembered something 
In my first litter I had few puppies born with light brindling, but then few days later it faded away and now there is no trace left of it. Is that common or might these dogs have "hidden" brindling in their genes also? Both parents have solid colors. |
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ckramer
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| Do you have pics?? |
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Badazz
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| Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 2:10 pm Post subject: |
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I sure do. Not the best quality though. What do you think?
Few weeks later...
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ckramer
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| Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 2:21 pm Post subject: |
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WOW  Well that sure does look like brindling LOL  .. I know nothing about these things so I will anxiously await someone who does" response LOL |
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TitletownAST
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| Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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| A "hidden" brindle on a black dog wouldn't be b/c the dog is "ee" it would be b/c it's a TRUE black brindle - black base coat, black stripes. So, no, not the same genetic thing going on as the "ee" masking effect. |
Ok. So this goes back to what I learned at one time about assessing the color of your dog for registration... the first 'part' is supposed to be the base color and the second 'part' is the pattern. So, a 'black brindle' is technically an incorrect 'color' thru AKC because you'll never know until that dog is bred, right? So, I was correct in listing my girl Devani as a fawn brindle, even though she looks nothing like the dogs typically listed as 'fawn brindle'? She looks like the dogs listed as 'black brindle'. I wish there was just "brindle" as an option... but I guess that would be listing just the pattern.
Ok ok, so then blue brindle is not genetically correct... it should be a 'fawn with blue brindling'... am I getting this? Or the ones that appear to be red with blue brindling are probably actually a blue fawn with blue brindling? |
In any color brindle what you call it is supposed to be the "base color" so, yes, technically most dogs called "black brindle" are incorrectly labeled b/c their base color is actually fawn or red.
@ Badazz, that is not brindling on those puppies, you see that effect whatever it is on alot of newborn puppies. Remember the "ee" gene that masks brindle removes all black from the coat. So that is not what is going on there you can see b/c that dark red pup and a couple others in your litter have a black mask on their faces therefore not "ee" masking. |
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Badazz
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| Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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I figured it wasn't "real" brindling, but thought I'd add it to the mix of this conversation, who knows maybe someone has opinions about it. I've never heard of puppies born with "brindling" that fades away before, only the other way around. Just had these two litters and the second one had real brindles in it...  |
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biglyanna
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hello, i'm a biology student and i just beginned with serious genetic eheh
did someone had time ( or a link) to tell me wich colour is dominant etc by the amstaffs? I only know that brindle isn't dominant..or am I wrong?
( sorry for my english:)) |
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DivinityAmstaffs
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| Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 12:17 am Post subject: |
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Brindle is a pattern (not a color) and I do believe it is dominant.
Red is dominant, black is dominant, blue is recessive... I think fawn has different types (might have something to do with the amount of pigment? not sure) |
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malone line
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| ive just joined so im late responding to this .. my first litter looked so much like this its unreal. !! sire and dame are red with white markings. the sire has a black mask. i thought there was brindle pups in the litter.. a few weeks later solid color. there was a solid red..beautiful should have kept him. |
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Meadowbrooks
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| Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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| It is shading and not brindle.. Most of pups I have had you don't know they are brindle until later on. I don't know if I have seen a pup that was brindle right after birth.. |
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Amanda Reichelt
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| Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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| It is shading and not brindle.. Most of pups I have had you don't know they are brindle until later on. I don't know if I have seen a pup that was brindle right after birth.. |
I agree, it is only shading, no brindling you are seeing. At about a week I can see the brindling coming in on pups who are actually brindle, when I take them in the sunlight. Sometimes if they have very little brindle it won't show up until way later. |
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X-Pertise
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| Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 5:40 am Post subject: |
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Red + Red = Red
It is highly unlikely you will get any brindles from red to red breeding. Genetically, it just doesn't work out. |
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TooleShed
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| Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 8:11 am Post subject: |
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| X-Pertise wrote: |
Red + Red = Red
It is highly unlikely you will get any brindles from red to red breeding. Genetically, it just doesn't work out. |
What are the statistics on Red + Red = Blue fawn...with one blue fawn grandparent, and the remaining grandparents being black. Is this common, or should they be mostly red? |
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shadyblueamstaffs
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| Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 11:28 am Post subject: |
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| TooleShed wrote: |
| X-Pertise wrote: |
Red + Red = Red
It is highly unlikely you will get any brindles from red to red breeding. Genetically, it just doesn't work out. |
What are the statistics on Red + Red = Blue fawn...with one blue fawn grandparent, and the remaining grandparents being black. Is this common, or should they be mostly red? |
One of the parents carries the dillute gene, so if the other parent also carries dillute, then ideally 25% of the litter will be blue fawn. But if the other parent does not carry dillute, then you won't have any blue fawns. In that scenario, 50% of the litter will carry the dillute themselves. |
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TooleShed
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| Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 12:36 pm Post subject: |
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| shadyblueamstaffs wrote: |
| TooleShed wrote: |
| X-Pertise wrote: |
Red + Red = Red
It is highly unlikely you will get any brindles from red to red breeding. Genetically, it just doesn't work out. |
What are the statistics on Red + Red = Blue fawn...with one blue fawn grandparent, and the remaining grandparents being black. Is this common, or should they be mostly red? |
One of the parents carries the dillute gene, so if the other parent also carries dillute, then ideally 25% of the litter will be blue fawn. But if the other parent does not carry dillute, then you won't have any blue fawns. In that scenario, 50% of the litter will carry the dillute themselves. |
So...in this situation, your saying it is possible for a dog to carry the dilute gene even though the first dilute shows up 4 generations back (and it being a blue fawn with red parents and one blue brindle grandparent)? I guess so, since it happened, but I just thought it would be pretty unlikely. Genetics are amazing.... |
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