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Amanda Reichelt
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 Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 7:44 pm Post subject: DARK Blue Fawns |
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What is the absolutely DARKEST blue fawn you have ever seen (any pics?). Today Mercury and Champagne's babies were born, and we had 3 blue females, 1 blue fawn female and two dark blue fawn males. One of the blue fawn males is VERY dark, in fact, he is much darker than his half brother shown below:
CH FOXFIRE'S STAR FLEET COMMANDER
(CH MOUNT BRIER'S AREN'T U ENVIOUS, DNA, MH, OFA X MOUNT BRIER'S SIMPLY PERFECT, OFA)
The above dog is a son of Mercury, so he is a half brother to this litter I have. He is one of the darkest blue fawns that I have ever seen, and the only reason his color gives him away as blue fawn is his blue masking on the face. His coat appears a dark blue tinted fawn with reddish tones. The nose appears BLACK, but I know it is blue, just extremely dark. He very distinctly has a blue mask. So I am starting to wonder just how dark a blue fawn can go before you just plain can't call it a blue fawn anymore (i.e. heavy red tinting to a blue fawn coat - the dog has a heavy red cast but blue nose and blue masking).
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shadyblueamstaffs
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| Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 10:58 pm Post subject: Re: DARK Blue Fawns |
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| Amanda Reichelt wrote: |
| So I am starting to wonder just how dark a blue fawn can go before you just plain can't call it a blue fawn anymore? |
A blue fawn will always be a blue fawn. Regardless of how dark the color is. |
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Blue Rising Star
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Meadowbrooks
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A blue fawn is a blue fawn. I had a dog name stormy.. RED as could be. Most people fought with me about it. When he was a pup he was blue fawn and there wasn't a question about it. Now just has a shade of a mask when the light hits him.
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shadyblueamstaffs
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http://www.bluerisingstar.com/Colors.htm
Actualy that is called red blue-fawn.
This color is basicly Red-fawn but with Blue shades around the nose and eyes. 
Ch. C o c k 'n' Bulls Solid State
Here another example from another breed:
"Here is a very dark red blue-fawn! This bitch is imported from England and is the product of 5 generations of blue to blue breeding."
http://bellsouthpwp.net/d/d/ddoggone/Homepage/Genetics/A-fawn.html |
I'm sorry but a blue fawn is just that, a BLUE FAWN. No red blue fawn about it. It either has a blue nose or it don't. I can call one of my blue dogs any color I want, but that still won't change the fact that it's a blue dog.
I have seen many different shades of blues and reds. The shade does not change what color the dog is. |
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Amanda Reichelt
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Oh yes, no doubt a blue fawn is a blue fawn and nothing more, period. I was just saying it was very interesting how much variance in color there are in blue fawns. All the way from a light peachy colored blue fawn to a dark almost red/tan color. The blue nose and any blue masking present give it away as blue fawn. I just find it really interesting how different the actual COAT colors are when blue fawns of VERY different shades are put right next to each other 
I have seen blue fawn AmStaffs like these Cambell's Russian Dwarf Hamsters:
http://www.geocities.com/aaahamsters/BlueFawns.html
(certainly blue fawn, but with a distinct PURPLE tint).
This is a Staffy Bull who is an interesting shade of blue fawn:
http://www.world-net.net/home/malec/images/Preacher2.jpg |
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fffstaffs
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| some of your old time amstaff people called them blue reds.....Sasquatch's dad Ch Willynwood Buckmeister (very similar pedigree to Ch Willynwood Redneck) was a dark blue fawn that they called the blue red |
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Cicero
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Here is a pic of a blue fawn boy we bred named Bently. The second is a pic of him and his red half brother Zion.
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shadyblueamstaffs
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Here is a pic of a blue fawn boy we bred named Bently. The second is a pic of him and his red half brother Zion.
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Good looking boys. But dang I was debating on nameing my newest boy Bently.  |
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Amanda Reichelt
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Jennie, your boys look really nice and your blue fawn is so close to being red it's unreal, compared right next to the red boy.
Here are two of my pups, both blue fawn males, at a week old.
Wow - the variance in blue fawns, I like it! |
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Skylar
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they all are cute. different shade of blue fawn...
Thought red is only for Ginger/orange color?... If dog's coat is kinda
Aurburn color does that means he is red or blue fawn? if it was reddish
brown would that be blue fawn or red? red fawn? |
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Cicero
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Thank you!
Bently's registered name is Cicero's Top of The Line, lol. He had a blue brindle brother who was really dark too, but all of our dogs coming off of his father seem to have excellent color and pigment (I don't like light blues, blue fawns or blue brindles). I guess it also helps that his mother is red and his father was a DARK mahogany brindle. |
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Amanda Reichelt
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they all are cute. different shade of blue fawn...
Thought red is only for Ginger/orange color?... If dog's coat is kinda
Aurburn color does that means he is red or blue fawn? if it was reddish
brown would that be blue fawn or red? red fawn? |
Hi Skylar! Red is the deepest of the warm hues, ranging in color from orange-reds to deep, intense mahogany. They always have black pigment. Blue fawns have a solid fawn (or reddish) coat with distinct bluish tint (and generally a blue mask too). The nose leather is always blue (grey) on blue fawn, though it can be dark enough to appear black. So even if a blue fawn appears red coated, if the nose is blue, it's a blue fawn. Plain fawn (always has a black nose) has no gold or red tones, it ranges from tans, buffs, and light browns. |
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Skylar
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Thanks Amanda  will try and rememeber it all
will check stone's nose tomorrow when i take him out for walk (looking after Stone for week while the owner is away) He is blue fawn... i can see his fawn coat with distinct bluish tint in some light.. his nose looked black from what i can rememeber... but i guess you're right because i have one photograph of him that does show his nose in blue (thought it was bad light)...
does black nose means completely black? or do they come in very very dark grey? (feeling stupid for asking this  ) |
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Meadowbrooks
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| Skylar wrote: |
Thanks Amanda will try and rememeber it all
will check stone's nose tomorrow when i take him out for walk (looking after Stone for week while the owner is away) He is blue fawn... i can see his fawn coat with distinct bluish tint in some light.. his nose looked black from what i can rememeber... but i guess you're right because i have one photograph of him that does show his nose in blue (thought it was bad light)...
does black nose means completely black? or do they come in very very dark grey? (feeling stupid for asking this ) |
just remember a blue with very nice pigment is hard to tell if the nose is blue or black. Sometimes the only way to tell is but beside a pigment dogs black nose. Dark grey to me would be a style of blues. IMO |
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