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amstaffnewbee
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 Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 7:50 pm Post subject: The Amstaff muzzle |
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Is there any particular length the AmStaff muzzle is supposed to be?
In other breeds, the skull to muzzle ratio is written in the breed standard, but I cannot find that for the AmStaffs.
It just seems like on some AmStaffs, the muzzle looks short, like on a Boxer.
If this is the case, does this lead to problems in hot humid weather the way it does in the Boxer? |
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Blue Rising Star
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X-Pertise
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| Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 6:59 am Post subject: Re: The Amstaff muzzle |
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| amstaffnewbee wrote: |
| Is there any particular length the AmStaff muzzle is supposed to be? |
The proportion from nose to stop and stop to occiput should be approximately equal.
| amstaffnewbee wrote: |
| In other breeds, the skull to muzzle ratio is written in the breed standard, but I cannot find that for the AmStaffs. |
When in doubt refer to photos of the original dogs.
| amstaffnewbee wrote: |
| It just seems like on some AmStaffs, the muzzle looks short, like on a Boxer. |
The muzzle has become too short on many dogs.
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| If this is the case, does this lead to problems in hot humid weather the way it does in the Boxer? |
It does lead to breathing problems and not just in hot weather, but whenever the dog exerts himself even a little bit. |
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amstaffnewbee
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Cicero
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| Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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We have a couple dogs that some people would consider Boxerish, but it doesn't affect them - they don't get tired or hotter any faster than any of our other dogs. I think it depends on body type, structure, and physical fitness. Nu-Nu, for example, has a short muzzle for an AST, but he has the body of a more moderate dog with nice leg length and is super athletic. He has no problem handling the GA summers and often outlasts other dogs. But if he was a lot heavier, or had less leg, I can see where combining that with a short muzzle can cause problems.
I also see a lot of people with bully dogs that have elongated soft pallettes (sp?). although they usually have no clue what that is. |
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Meadowbrooks
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| Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Someone please post a pic of a boxer then show me ANYONE that has a amstaff that looks like it. LOL |
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k84
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| I have seen many amstaffs with too short muzzle and 50% of them have breathing problems after a bit of training. |
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shadyblueamstaffs
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| Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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Hmm, yeah I'm with Larry on this one. I for one have not seen any amstaffs that look like this. |
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shadyblueamstaffs
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This one closer resembles the markings of amstaffs, still can't think of any amstaffs that look like this.
Though there is a particular line with alot of leg and comes with high tail sets, and produces alot of white, so I can laugh about the rumour of a boxer being bred in to add that leg LOL |
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k84
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| Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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| When I read the standard which says "Muzzle - Medium length" I get a picture of a muzzle like the one described by X-pertise: "The proportion from nose to stop and stop to occiput should be approximately equal." But it is just my opinion. |
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AMdedicated
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| Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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i have never seen an Amstaff with a muzzle as short as a boxer.. If i did i wouldnt think of it as a pure bred thats for sure... Some do have shorter snouts yes, but not like a boxers. Also like what was just mentioned the SP can play a part too. If a amstaff EVER had a muzzle as short as a boxer then yes... they would have breathing problems the same as a boxer, but hey there muzzles arnt that short  |
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Cicero
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I don't think there are any AmStaffs that look like Boxers either, lol, but I have heard some dog people say Boxerish when describing a short muzzle with a lot of stop.
River has a shortest muzzle out of our girls that I measured at the time, but she has the most correct ratio. |
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TitletownAST
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Quicksilver
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| Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 9:12 pm Post subject: Wow |
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| I have got to work on my PhotoShop Skills. . . LOL This started out as a pretty moribund discussion, but the pictures MADE it Great. . . |
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shadyblueamstaffs
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| Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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Even with the shorter muzzle on the amstaff, it still screams amstaff to me, so it still has not lost breed type. You can look at that head and say thats an amstaff head. But I do see some similarites. |
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