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Ph1ngering
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Joined: 27 Dec 2006
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 Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 10:18 pm Post subject: What health testing should be done when breeding amstaffs |
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What do you think the most important health test are and would you buy a dog with out them?
I was board today, so I emailed about ten pitbull breeders websites and asked them if they did health testing? 4 out of 10 that responded said no but i guarantee health for one year. The others haven't responded yet.
One Actual response: "I used to, but it's too much polotics." |
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Hope
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Joined: 03 Feb 2008
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Location: Belgium
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I think testing for HD, ED and heartdiseases is the less you can do! I give 2 years warranty on inheriditary diseases.
I would buy a puppy from a litter that is only tested on HD, but only if the breeder knows which diseases are in his line and if he gives me a warranty. |
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Meadowbrooks
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Joined: 12 Dec 2007
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Location: va
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| Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 4:32 am Post subject: |
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We do hearts and hips and most of the time Elbows. But Hearts is the biggest with us... Not as picky as in the pass... They must fail completely. As a breeder you can fix hips.. And you can have great hips and have a litter of bad so it is all a gamble IMO.. But hearts is hard to fix and can be really bad and you don't pay attention to it.. But then bad hearts still pop up with tested and passed parents.. IMO
I understand about that one kennel saying they use to do it and it is all politics.... I agree with that.. |
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shadyblueamstaffs
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Joined: 15 Dec 2007
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Location: Missouri USA
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I say Hearts and HIps are the most important,
and yes I HAVE bought a dog from unhealth tested parents, my boy Tank, his parents were not health tested or titled, but I searched for too long to try and find a nice black dog with the qualities I was looking for, so I took a gamble with my boy Tank and so far so good on him passing his tests. |
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Kelley KS ASTs
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Joined: 04 Jan 2008
Posts: 33
Location: Portland OR
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| Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 11:13 am Post subject: Re: What health testing should be done when breeding amstaff |
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| Ph1ngering wrote: |
What do you think the most important health test are and would you buy a dog with out them?
I was board today, so I emailed about ten pitbull breeders websites and asked them if they did health testing? 4 out of 10 that responded said no but i guarantee health for one year. The others haven't responded yet.
One Actual response: "I used to, but it's too much polotics." |
I won't buy a dog without health testing. I do not see any reason why someone can not health test.
I think health testing is important but also researching the pedigrees, the dogs and the breeder is also important. Anything can happen even with health testing and research but its the breeder backing the puppy that really means something. I also see a lot of "breeders"(used loosely) that think that because their dog passed it health testing it should be bred, this is not the case, breeders need to be highly critical and honest about their dogs.
I do elbows, hips and hearts. I also will guarantee a dog from genetic defects until the age of 5. |
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shadyblueamstaffs
Alpha Dog
Joined: 15 Dec 2007
Posts: 1083
Location: Missouri USA
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| Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 12:23 pm Post subject: Re: What health testing should be done when breeding amstaff |
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| Kelley KS ASTs wrote: |
| Ph1ngering wrote: |
What do you think the most important health test are and would you buy a dog with out them?
I was board today, so I emailed about ten pitbull breeders websites and asked them if they did health testing? 4 out of 10 that responded said no but i guarantee health for one year. The others haven't responded yet.
One Actual response: "I used to, but it's too much polotics." |
I won't buy a dog without health testing. I do not see any reason why someone can not health test.
I think health testing is important but also researching the pedigrees, the dogs and the breeder is also important. Anything can happen even with health testing and research but its the breeder backing the puppy that really means something. I also see a lot of "breeders"(used loosely) that think that because their dog passed it health testing it should be bred, this is not the case, breeders need to be highly critical and honest about their dogs.
I do elbows, hips and hearts. I also will guarantee a dog from genetic defects until the age of 5. |
Just curious, but why is five the age you chose? Sometimes things like ataxia don't even show up till after a dog is five.
I think it's a whole other discussion, but I personally guarantee my pups for the life of the dog. If someone keeps one of my dogs till it's 10 years old and then it dies from cancer or something, I will glady give them another dog. I don't know why a breeder would put a limit on the guarantee of their puppies.IMO |
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Kelley KS ASTs
Puppy
Joined: 04 Jan 2008
Posts: 33
Location: Portland OR
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| Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 1:39 pm Post subject: Re: What health testing should be done when breeding amstaff |
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| shadyblueamstaffs wrote: |
| Kelley KS ASTs wrote: |
| Ph1ngering wrote: |
What do you think the most important health test are and would you buy a dog with out them?
I was board today, so I emailed about ten pitbull breeders websites and asked them if they did health testing? 4 out of 10 that responded said no but i guarantee health for one year. The others haven't responded yet.
One Actual response: "I used to, but it's too much polotics." |
I won't buy a dog without health testing. I do not see any reason why someone can not health test.
I think health testing is important but also researching the pedigrees, the dogs and the breeder is also important. Anything can happen even with health testing and research but its the breeder backing the puppy that really means something. I also see a lot of "breeders"(used loosely) that think that because their dog passed it health testing it should be bred, this is not the case, breeders need to be highly critical and honest about their dogs.
I do elbows, hips and hearts. I also will guarantee a dog from genetic defects until the age of 5. |
Just curious, but why is five the age you chose? Sometimes things like ataxia don't even show up till after a dog is five.
I think it's a whole other discussion, but I personally guarantee my pups for the life of the dog. If someone keeps one of my dogs till it's 10 years old and then it dies from cancer or something, I will glady give them another dog. I don't know why a breeder would put a limit on the guarantee of their puppies.IMO |
I put a limit due to contract law in the State of Oregon. I bend over backwards to protect my puppies and help my owners. There are exception to everything except for contract law.
Lets just hope and pray one of these days they find the genetic marker for Ataxia. |
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Meadowbrooks
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Joined: 12 Dec 2007
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Location: va
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| Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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| No time limit here either.... It also depends on the owner of the dog aswell. |
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Amanda Reichelt
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Joined: 12 May 2008
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Location: Colville, WA (USA)
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| Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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| I think the hips, elbows and heart (with a cardiologist) are the most important but I do a couple more OFA tests plus CERF. The genetic health of all of my puppies is guaranteed on contract for the LIFETIME of the dog - not 1 year, not 3 years - the entire LIFE of the dog. Very few breeders will guarantee health for the dog's lifetime much less into the older years (at the very least!) when Ataxia can show up. |
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Poseidon Amstaffs
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Joined: 14 Dec 2007
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Location: Hampton,VA
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| Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 11:59 am Post subject: |
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| I would have to go with Hearts and Hips. Hearts being the biggest to me |
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